Alexandre
Since the announcement of the Dare Forward 2023 strategic plan, presented in 2021 by Carlos Tavares, we've known that future models from the Group's brands will have 4 platforms STLA Small, STLA Medium, STLA Large and STLA Frame. Today, Stellantis tells us a little more about STLA Large, which will be used by the group's future brands. Alfa Romeo and MaseratiAnd a little further down, we explain how the platform came into being.
To sum up, according to Stellantis, STLA Large will offer two architectures, 400V or 800V. Batteries between 85 and 118 kWh. STLA Large is aiming for a range of 800 km. It will enable cars to accelerate from 0 to 100 in around 2 seconds. And finally, STLA Large will be compatible with D and E segment sedans, crossovers and SUVs.
The group points out that 8 new models launched between 2024 and 2026 will have STLA Large. Dodge and Jeep will be the first to be launched. According to our information, it's the future Jeep Wagoneer S (replacing the Cherokee) that will inaugurate the Dodge Charger. And as for Dodge, it's just as well, because the brand has teased its new electric Charger, a sedan-coupe featuring the STLA Large platform with 800V architecture.
Technical note on the "new" STLA platform
While Stellantis claims that these platforms are 100 % new, the reality is a little different. STLA Large uses components from the Giorgio platform just like STLA Medium, an evolution of eVMP, the platform unveiled by PSA in 2020.
According to our information, STLA Large is a new platform, but one that uses Giorgio components. Hence the unofficial name Giorgio 2.
For Maserati, the story is different. According to our information, the new Maserati Granturismo and Grecale are based on an evolution of the Giorgio platform, which has undergone significant modifications to accommodate a large battery and electric motors. It's a kind of Giorgio 1.5 or Giorgio "evo", called Maserati Spaceframe, but it's not STLA Large. That's why, when we tested the Granturismo, we got the Giulia feeling.
Remember that the Grecale thermo (a close cousin of the Stelvio) uses the same platform as the Folgore version, and the same applies to the Granturismo thermo.
So, if the official line is that STLA Large is a brand-new platform, yes, it is, but it includes some of the components that made Giorgio such a success. The good news is that future Alfa Romeo Stelvio and Giulia models will be based on STLA Large. Alfisti won't be lost. However, Milano will be on eCMP and not STLA Medium. Do you follow?
As far as Maserati is concerned, it's very convoluted, as MC20 has its own platform, Grecale, Granturismo and Grancabrio have a Giorgio 1.5 aka Maserati Spaceframe platform, while future Levante and Quattroporte models will indeed be on STLA Large.
There's been a mistake. It's not the just-released Jeep Cherokee that will benefit, but the WAGONEER S. The new-generation Cherokee, due out in 2021, is based on version 1.5, as you call it.
It's not the Jeep Cherokee but the WAGONEER S
Okay, I think I understand where my mistake came from. I think the Wagoneer S is the new name for the Cherokee. Because according to my information, the Wagoneer is planned for the STLA Frame.
Ah, from what I've gathered from a number of articles, the Wagoneer and Wagoneer S existed in the Jeep range a long time ago. It's supposed to be a notch above the Cherokee, which was just renewed 3 years ago.
From what I understand, Maserati Spaceframe "Giorgio Evo" is a 400V architecture while STLA Large ("Giorgio 2") is on 800V, which is very important for the recharging speed... the question to ask the Maserati representatives is why two platforms and especially why leave the Grecale on 400V compared to the new Porsche Macan which will be on 800V?
Grecale 400v and granturismo 800v are both on maserati spaceframe. And stla large will be available in 400v and 800v.
Isn't Maserati the top brand in the Stellantis Group? So why not offer the trident the best of the group's technology, i.e. the 800V?
The Granturismo folgore does have 800V. I think Grecale and Granturismo are in the same situation as 500 and Tonale, products that are well advanced under FCA but don't benefit from the new Stellantis components.
I'm betting that Maserati and Alfa will never go electric, no matter what the platform or battery power, Stellantis is going straight for the wall by betting only on electrics, especially for this style of car. Just look at when Maserati put a special series of Granturismo 2s on sale - around a hundred, I think - and they only registered one order for the electric model for 99% for the internal combustion model!
On the Stradale it's the same, and it's not confirmed.
Customers are more attached to hybridization, and are not yet ready for all-electric because it's too much of an obstacle.
As logical as it may be to have a small car like the Fiat 500e for everyday journeys and city driving.
As for roadsters like the Alfa Romeo Giulia and Stelvio, and Maseratis, I'm sure there will be plenty of reluctance.
First-time fans of electric cars, Tesla buyers, are convinced first-time buyers. Nothing to do with car fans who also like to drive with internal combustion engines.
The argument of power and 0 to 100 in 3 seconds or less is for kekes who don't know what driving pleasure is.
If electric cars don't catch on, some brands will disappear. It's a gamble to bet everything on electric cars, and I'm not sure it will work.
I'm looking forward to the successor to my current Stelvio, with an 800 hp electric powertrain on the STLA Large platform.
of the superb Giorgio.
PS: I'm not a "klutz" and when it comes to driving pleasure, I don't need any lecturers. If a Porsche Taycan E is capable of maintaining or even surpassing the sporty driving pleasure of its thermal brothers, there's no reason why AR should be any different.
⚠️ NO, STLA medium takes nothing from the PSA platforms, the project having been completely overhauled in 2020 following the merger with FCA. The project's chief engineer has made it clear: only the nacelle attachment points (in the factory) are based on PSA dimensions.
That's why STLA Medium is BEV native and first.
Hello, I have a document that says "EMP2v4 = EVMP = STLA Medium" talk to the chief engineer?
I have a question iro the STLA Large Platform and how this configuration will be different between the Stellantis brands - from what I have read, the platform will be used for other Stellantis brands, so I must assume a standard " Jelly Mould " body taken from the standard Stellantis bodies made available for use. and with a few slight modifications to make it look like an Alfa Romeo and certain across the brands interior, what will make future Alfa Romeo's stand out and be different, since everything is so " off the shelf "?? A good example is the AR Toenail vs Dodge Hornet, with the Hornet using the AR Toenail as its base with a few modifications, it is sold as a different brand. Based on that I must assume the "new" milano will be a Jeep Avenger with a few slight modifications to make it "different".
What I have noticed is that all new vehicles being brought out these days, esp the EV,s, is that they have become uninspiring and so similar that it is difficult to ascertain the difference between brands, thus the term "Jelly Moulds"