Alexandre
Still on the hot topic ofAlfa Romeo 33 Stradalelet's turn our attention to the electrified version.
This supercar, produced in 33 examples, was offered to buyers in a combustion version with a 3.0L V6 producing over 620 hp, as well as an electric version producing over 750 hp.
The electric version has three motors, one at the front and two at the rear, and a 102 kWh battery offering a range of around 450 km. It weighs in at just over 2.1 tonnes.
Performance remains exceptional, with a 0 to 100 km/h time of less than 3 seconds and a top speed of over 300 km/h.
And yet... it won't be enough. Offered in both internal combustion and electric versions, we thought we'd see a more or less even split between internal combustion and electric models. Nevertheless, the latest rumors claim that the electric version has not won the hearts of buyers, These are all turning to the thermal version.
Contacted by italpassion, Alfa Romeo has confirmed that to date 2 customers have chosen the electric model. However, "from the moment the contract is signed, each customer has one year to change his or her mind. Some customers are still hesitating to switch from combustion to electric. We'll be able to offer a mix of internal combustion and BEV once the choices have been fully determined.
It is therefore interesting to note that, in the world of luxury, the choice between an internal combustion engine and an electric one is quickly made. Perhaps that's why Maserati is taking its time with the electric MC20 technical cousin, originally scheduled for 2020...
That's an understatement 😂🤣
Daubes for the poor and diamonds for the rich 😂🤣
I'm definitely not ready to get rid of my youngtimers!😍
An Alfa is gasoline! Taking over the name of a 33 stradale from 1967 is fine, but not with "batteries". I worked for Alfa for 12 years, but I would never have thought that a brand like that would have a "PSA 3-cylinder" engine - what a waste...
I think it's interesting for the brand to note that, while this V6 33 Stradale will restore the brand's lustre for the general public, the presence of a PSA three-cylinder under one of its hoods next year will have the opposite effect. They'd better think again.
Never a psa chassis or engine in an Italian. It's a mess.
I will never, ever buy French. I'll go to the Asians.
Before you head off to the Chinese (who seem to have more favour in your eyes, we wonder why), all STLA wide platforms will be assembled in the Maserati/Alfa Cassino plant, just like the Grecale Folgore or the future Giulia...
Fredo, Asia doesn't just include China (Japan, Korea, etc.).
People often think of Japan (now Korea too) when they think of Asian cars.
If you want to know about the Japanese brands we like, try out several models from 1990 to the present day from Toyota, Lexus, Honda, Suzuki, Kia and Hyundai in Korea, and you'll see why we're rarely disappointed.
What Abarth, Alfa and Lancia lack. Boldness, rock-solid reliability and fairly lightweight products.
3 cylinders?!? It's a 3.0l V6.
Totally agree with Garbe, ALFA continues its descent with this new PSA boss. What a waste indeed!
if there's one brand that deserved the continuation of combustion engines 'à l'italienne', it's ALFA ROMEO, not Peugeot or Citroen.
Citroën, too, because it's the brand that's represented around the world as French luxury, if Peugeot hadn't made confetti out of it.
As far as battery-powered Alfa's are concerned, it's true that the brand has inherited a history of mythical engines, but the smallest Tesla Model 3 "Standard Plus" accelerates from 0 to 100 in 5.6 seconds with its 275 hp... The "Performance" version takes 3.3 seconds. I'm not obsessed with pure performance either, but it's still a bit embarrassing to be stepped on so much by a brand with no past. Then, of course, there's the question of feel, noise and weight. But the more time goes by, the more technology will solve these problems, and for mass-produced models it will become very complicated. In any case, management has already decided that it can't afford to sit back and wait, and has announced for 2025 a Giulia Veloce with 800 hp, the Quadrifoglio with 1000 hp, and the "entry-level" version with 350 hp. The question for me is: do we really need to offer a thermal "Brennero" if we're going to sabotage it with a three-cylinder?
Yes, but look, even with that much horsepower, they can't beat the thermals on the racetrack.
Rimac, Pininfarina, Tesla and Taycan all failed.
This is obviously not true.
A Taycan Turbo S does the same time as a Giulia QV on the Nordshleife. 7″32′ and 7″33′.
You're making us laugh with your rejection of electrification when your thermals are precisely matched by electrics, even on the track...
As a reminder, at the time of the chronos, the Giulia QV was 135,000€ with malus, Ferrari maintenance and a monstrous appetite, while the Taycan Turbo S was 164,000€ and nothing more, since it was electric.
And that was years ago...
Times change, but mentalities don't.
A because the Giulia Quadrifoglio is the time reference on the Nurburgring????
It's new, it's just been released!
What you're saying is totally untrue and absurd, because not only do the official times show it, but even Pininfarina, which has the most efficient electric car on the market, didn't manage to set a reference lap time until recently like the Taycan Turbo S (it's laughable to think it's so stupid to put turbo in an electric car...😂🤣 Porscherie all spit).
All electric vehicle manufacturers know that it's impossible to do this on racetracks, and they say so themselves, because of the considerable weight of the batteries 🪫 and the various motors and their assembly.
Mentalities don't change: some people will say anything to show they exist.
Porscherie with her Taycan failed (she who was supposed to pulverize and erase Tesla, did nothing at all).😂🤣
The Tesla that was supposed to make combustion engine cars obsolete on the racetrack... not at all!
The Rimac, which was to become the absolute reference, failed just like the Battista.
The Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio may be expensive to maintain, but last time I checked, the Panamera (which likes to spend its life in a rut) isn't cheap at all.
Or we change the register.
PSA takes full charge of the electrics for all brands. The Italians take care of the chassis and combustion engine. The Americans take care of their chassis.
I think this could be a sore spot for some other brands.
Seit der Fusion von Fiat und Chrysler geht es mit Alfa Romeo noch weiter bergab. Nur noch plumpe SUV, die zwar verglichen mit anderen SUV noch halbwegs ansehnlich sind, aber wo bleiben die PKW? Nur die Giulia ist ein echter Alfa, aber unerscheinglich. In die Alfa-Modellpalette gehören noch ein Mito, eine Giulietta, ein Sportcoupé, ein Cabrio und ein Kombi. Wenn es das alles gibt, darf Alfa gern noch SUV und Nischenautos in Minimalstückzahlen für Milliardäre bauen. Da es leider so nicht kommen wird, wie ich es mir wünsche, werde ich meinen Mito bis 2060 oder länger fahren. Ich habe nichts gegen Elektro-Autos, wenn Preis, Reichweite und Ladezeit akzeptabel sind. Besser vollektrisch als ein ruckeliger Hybridantrieb wie im Tonale.
Auch BMW eliminiert alle seine Limousinen und baut stattdessen schmutzige Traktoren, sogenannte SUVs. Audi gibt alle A6-, A4- und insbesondere A8-Limousinen auf, um nur noch Traktoren zu produzieren, und Mercedes wird nur noch ... 2 produzieren!
I hope they haven't already built the sixteen electric cars, because what are they going to do with them? These electric cars are soulless, like washing machines on wheels in spin mode, complicated to use on a daily basis, expensive, with insufficient range, heavy, in short, I'm not likely to put a euro into them.
No examples were produced other than the prototype used for the presentation. Customers will be able to customize practically everything (a point to be taken up on the Giulia, Stelvio and Tonale, at least in part). Deliveries won't take place until Christmas 2024 (a fine gift, but we'll just have to find a good-sized tree...).
On the Giulia and the Stelvio, it's already possible to customize it as you wish, it's just a question of budget.
For the Tonale it's hard to justify.
It was possible! If you go to the giulia and Stelvio configurator, many options have disappeared: seat colors, body colors, caliper colors...
For France... but not for all countries.
That's the game, my poor Lucette.
I'm in the same situation.
Alfa-romeo is destroying itself. You buy an Alfa for its noise, its faults and its beauty, not for batteries...
Today, BMW is presenting its new "Neue Klasse" electric concept... Alfa is simply following the general trend in the automotive industry, in order to survive. We can regret it, but we can't stop it.
Wasn't Alfa already in the process of deconstruction with the Mito and Giulietta, which are a disgrace to the brand for being so low-end and devoid of any DNA?
It's been more than 10 years since Alfa turned over a new leaf, and more than 10 years since we've heard the same things over and over again.
Alfa has been releasing suitable products with its dna (apart from the Mito) for ten years now, so I don't see what the problem is 🤨
An electric car for everyday use is perfect. But for a sports car, it would be like going to the movies with just subtitles and no sound. Who would be interested?
If you were propelled to 100km/h in less than 3 seconds, you'd be in charge of the sound system, believe me... One of the biggest problems is gaining 500kg on the scales compared with a Ferrari Enzo, but we've been told that the batteries will be twice as light within a year and a half (they're currently being industrialized), so things are moving ahead. In my opinion, there's always the possibility of producing very limited thermal series like this one.
Thanks to the sound of the engine, you know roughly what engine speed (and therefore speed) your vehicle is at when you know it... impossible with an electric vehicle.
The main problem is weight.
An example?
On the same Lotus platform:
Lotus Europa: 1085kg in running order
Tesla Roadster: 1485Kg in running order
So even if they divide the weight of the batteries by 2 🪫 we'll still be 200kg too heavy for a light sports car so for a traditional car you multiply the weight by 2 and the latest Lotus hypercar, its SUV and its future sedan prove that it's impossible.
After that, the range is far from perfect, as is the charging time, and the pleasure is totally watered down... sorry.
Take a look for yourself at the difference in weight between the 33 thermal and electric... it's staggering.
The range of a current Model 3 "Long Range" is over 600kms, Peugeot is going to bring out a 3008 with 700kms of range, we're getting there gradually... it's the same for batteries, nobody said that research stops today, the Fiat 600e weighs about the same as the Tesla Roadster, that's remarkable, if they come up with an electric Giulia at the same weight it'll be a problem solved (it's about the same as the combustion version). I know that the internal combustion MC20 is also at 1.5 tons, while the electric version is at two, which is too much, and as I said, it's one of the biggest problems. Charging time with an 800V system is around fifteen minutes (even today, I insist), nothing unbearable. Battery manufacturers are currently advertising charging times of ten minutes. As for engine speed with a single or two gears, managed by electronics, there's no point in worrying about it any more, just respect the speed limits (detected by the car anyway), read the speedometer from time to time if you disconnect the aids and everything will be fine.
The latest BMW M2 weighs in at 1700kg
And it's not electric.
You don't understand that the weight doesn't just come from electrification. 15 airbags + a giant screen + Apple carplay + electric windows + air conditioning + 60 speakers + leather seats... In short, it's comfort that counts.
Comparing a Lotus Europa with a Tesla Roadster when the Lotus Europa is the ultimate in minimum strix, while the Tesla is a very well-equipped everyday car...
In one, you have the bare essentials, and in the other, you have the uber kit. What's wrong with comparing the incomparable?
And Mister Uber amateur, the Europa was the Luxury version of the Speedster call (ask around Mr. I don't know anything), with Clim, leather interior, electric windows, GPS radio,... etc!
So yes, you can compare them without any problem, because last time I checked, I didn't compare it to the Speedster.
The options add a lot of weight, but the batteries and electric motors even more, which is why Koenigseeg is testing a new process to reduce the overall weight by a factor of 4.
Do you know the V8 RPE?
a 2.7L/3.0L V8 made up of 2 Suzuki Hayabusa engines...
The original single 4-cylinder is already capable of 954hp (with a lot of preparation).
The V8 is logically capable of producing over 1800hp... and weighs just 105kg...
It is more than necessary to give whiplash to anyone, while atomizing anything on the circuit and not only on a 400m.
(after all, we're talking about a cheap engine that won't last long, of course, but the limit of combustion engines is their endurance compared to their power, a limit that's receding more and more every year).
You're forgetting the Hayabusa or Harley-based H1, prepared by Hartley in the same style, which gives 600hp in 3.5l with real reliability (but the problem is buying the engine, which costs around €100,000).
Yes, it's perfect... if you live in the city, but if you live in the country or in the mountains 🏔️ then thermal is a wise choice.
What were born in the days of silent films!🤣
As detailed by E. Perucca Orfei on Automoto.it (= https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSxzKZidYqM ), Alfa lacked courage on this one. Rather than reintroducing an engine taken identically from Maserati's Nettuno (cf. the almost embarrassed silence on the engine), the most striking and significant move for a brand that is said to be making great strides towards electrification would have been to release this new 33 as an electric 100%.
Here, the new 33 would become part of the brand's history.
Not to be involved in electrification is to become increasingly vulnerable, and to let the French side accumulate all the experience in the field is suicidal if we think that electrification is inevitable and that FCA can one day separate itself from PSA. The company has to produce its own EVs to be competitive in the sector. You only have to look at what is produced on the EMP2 platform for compact cars (308, Astra) to understand the gulf that separates PSA from Tesla: when they came out, there was no planner, the system couldn't be updated via WiFi, there was no frunk, the battery capacity was too low, the cost was too high... We need to take advantage of the fact that Peugeot is wiping the slate clean and build on its experience to produce convincing EVs at lower cost (the 500e was already convincing with its much more efficient UConnect system, but it's a small city car, so the challenge is to produce long-range sedans). In my opinion, Fiat should start with an eC4 and produce a pretty Tipo sedan in the same way as the Topolino.
It was FCA that shot itself in the foot by selling Magneti Marelli, who themselves have several highly advanced projects in the electrical field that they are currently developing. They committed suicide the day they signed the sale contract.
It's not a question of not going electric, it's a question of doing away with combustion altogether. The future will soon prove that combustion engines still have a bright future ahead of them. In fact, if we make a reasonable analysis, we'll need everything - combustion, hybrid and all-electric.
But what's absurd is to do away with the internal combustion engine at ALFA ROMEO, whose entire history is made up of beautiful, innovative, sporty engines - that's the ALFA myth.
If only we'd done it at Citroën or Lancia, a marginal and semi-dead brand, why not, but to do it at ALFA ROMEO is stupid.
Except to kill this brand off for good and consign its history to oblivion. Grazie PSA and Mr. Imparato.
Nor is it justifiable,
With Alfa, as with Lancia and Citroën, because if there are 2 brands that need to keep a thermo in the luxury segment, along with Maserati and Alfa, it's Lancia and Citroën.
Semi-dead, the proof is in the pudding, because until recently, more Lancia cars were sold in Italy 🇮🇹 than Alfa cars in the world and Citroën. It's time for PSA to get rid of this brand and let Maserati take care of Lancia and Citroën.
I can see that all the brands no longer have their own engines, and Alfa isn't excluded. Yes, it's a shame, but aiming for 100% on electrics is putting all your eggs in one basket. Staying with a hybrid is a wiser choice, based on a combustion engine that nothing can match.
Still not convinced by electric cars...
Excessive weight ( the WW combi can't come out in camper version! Too heavy > 3.5 t and HGV license 😜) 2-tonne sports cars! Plus radio in cars touted for their silence... What's the point? Enjoy the silence and leave the din of the thermal with the music blasting.
And for me, the electric car is like diarrhea, never sure I'll make it home 🤣🤣🤣
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Emotionally, the combustion engine is irreplaceable. But emotion and dreams left our continent a long time ago. Luxury car factories like Ferrari, lambho and co. will set up in Dubai, and we'll go on vacation there just to drive one for 2 weeks, crying back home driving vacuum cleaners.... the decline.
Rome, Monza and the Modena region will always be Italy, you can't move the Basilica of San Pietro or the Duomo in Florence, nor the lemons and bergamots of Calabria or the wool and silk of Biella - in short, Italy is still Italy!
A standing start in under 5 seconds is not a panacea for the average driver, who nevertheless loves beautiful cars, including sports cars.
I'm not against this type of performance, but the advantage given by electric motors is only in terms of "DA" acceleration, and only then. It's due to the physical advantage of motor torque, which arrives almost instantaneously with an electric motor as soon as power is applied. But as soon as the vehicle is launched, the combustion engine's inertia is reduced, and acceleration can be equivalent to or better for the combustion engine.
What's more, when we all know full well that the grid isn't ready and never will be in 10 or even 20 years or more, and I'm talking about both the distribution and production of electricity (we don't even know if we'll be able to get through a winter without a national blackout...), basing everything on electric power is totally absurd! If we take into account the obvious points I've just made, and the advantages they retain (lightness, autonomy, distribution network, fossil fuels still available (lol, there are plenty of those in Russia...), we'll always need combustion engines!
No, for me the solution is a mixed one: continue with internal combustion, go hybrid and why not go all-electric for those who want to and can afford it.
And the Germans, who are often cited as an example, have clearly understood this, with a firework display of combustion engines in all their brands: Audi, Volkswagen, Seat, Cupra, BMW, Mercedes...
And I repeat, if ever there was a brand that should have continued with internal combustion, with some fine engines, why not with the addition of hybridization precisely for the sake of pure performance, it's ALFA ROMEO! As I said before, a battery-powered Alfa Romeo isn't the stuff of dreams, at least not for me!
And Mr Imparato, despite his name and origins, is well on the way to sinking ALFA ROMEO, I'm definitely afraid.
A because the Giulia Quadrifoglio is the time reference on the Nurburgring????
It's new, it's just been released!
What you're saying is totally untrue and absurd, because not only do the official times show it, but even Pininfarina, which has the most efficient electric car on the market, didn't manage to set a reference lap time until recently like the Taycan Turbo S (it's laughable to think it's so stupid to put turbo in an electric car...😂🤣 Porscherie all spit).
All electric vehicle manufacturers know that it's impossible to do this on racetracks, and they say so themselves, because of the considerable weight of the batteries 🪫 and the various motors and their assembly.
Mentalities don't change: some people will say anything to show they exist.
Porscherie with her Taycan failed (she who was supposed to pulverize and erase Tesla, did nothing at all).😂🤣
The Tesla that was supposed to make combustion engine cars obsolete on the racetrack... not at all!
The Rimac, which was to become the absolute reference, failed just like the Battista.
The Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio may be expensive to maintain, but last time I checked, the Panamera (which likes to spend its life on the road) isn't cheap at all.
But let's not kid ourselves. I'm no designer, but this Alpha isn't exactly what you'd call "beautiful". No kidding, what's this face? It looks like an old concept from a Dubai brand trying to look "luxurious".
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